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Enter the “Zero Delay” USB joystick encoder. A great solution to attain that retro feeling!This entry isn’t as much of a tutorial but an over view of a device that has been selling on the net known as a “Zero delay USB Joystick Encoder.” It goes by other names such as a a “DIY Arcade replacement controller” or a “DIY Joystick control board.” Either way you slice it these boards are coming from China anywhere from as low as Three U.S. Dollars to as much as ten U.S.
Dollar depending on the features you want such as wiring harness and USB cables. Would you like to know more? Next Video mirrors:In case you have no-script enabled or for some reason cannot see the title video on this website. I have provided direct links for these videos. WebM – – This is the newest video standard, works great on Opera, Firefox, Chrome, and newer android phones, not good for Safari, IE, Apple. MP4 – – The most compatible codec but also rather large in file size.
Make take a while to download. OGV – – the fallback codec for older PC’s and Linux USB stick OS’s. 1st generation web video streaming based on Ogg-Vorbis encoding.The need for joystick controllers.Initially, in order for you to make your own joystick you would of course first collect all of the parts such as the joystick, buttons, wood, and finally the controller. When I first went down this adventure I bought an which had great software and did the job perfectly but unfortunately was almost $40(USD) in price! While it was great to get a controller that served as a near-zero delay system that I could hook up to my PC. I decided to look for cheaper alternatives out there. Initially we thought it would be awesome load some virtual joystick software on a USB compliant aurdino.
It turns out that China has beat us to the punch on this one. For this blog we purchased the 7$(USD) kit as it came from an American vendor on. Video mirrors:In case you have no-script enabled or for some reason cannot see the title video on this website. I have provided direct links for these videos. WebM – – This is the newest video standard, works great on Opera, Firefox, Chrome, and newer android phones, not good for Safari, IE, Apple.
MP4 – – The most compatible codec but also rather large in file size. Make take a while to download. OGV – – the fallback codec for older PC’s and Linux USB stick OS’s.
1st generation web video streaming based on Ogg-Vorbis encoding.Now we shall break down the pins on the PCB matching them to all of the connectors shown in the video for you to understand what is going on in our project box. Excluding the USB “B” connector Pinout i’ll try it break it down for you. InputPS2RJ45DB15DB912Trigger 3 R-11Trigger 3 L-Pin 10-10SelectRJ45 #2 Pin 7-09StartRJ45 #2 Pin 6-08Trigger 1 RRJ45 #2 Pin 5-07Trigger 1 LRJ45 #2 Pin 4-06Trigger 2 RRJ45 #2 Pin 3-05Trigger 2 LRJ45 #2 Pin 2-04SquareRJ45 #2 Pin 1Pin 9-03TriangleRJ45 #1 Pin 7Pin 8Pin 502CircleRJ45 #1 Pin 6Pin 7Pin 901X buttonRJ45 #1 Pin 5Pin 6Pin 6ADD ArrowRJ45 #1 Pin 4Pin 3Pin 2AUU ArrowRJ45 #1 Pin 3Pin 2Pin 1ALL ArrowRJ45 #1 Pin 2Pin 4Pin 3ARR ArrowRJ45 #1 Pin 1Pin 5Pin 4GNDGNDRJ45 #1 & #2 Pin 8Pin 1Pin 8Please note: Due to the design of the PCB. The zero delay controller is working in reverse polarity.
Thus, GND is actually +5vdc when you start looking at the table. A better term is to label this as “COMMON” since all of the connectors share a common connection to 5vdc and ground goes off to the chip itself. Just to run through what the connectors are again:. Input – The input source written on the USB joystick encoder board.
PS2 – What the button represents if it were hooked to a PS2 joystick. (only relevant if your USB joystick encoder has the additional PS2 port on it.). RJ45 – This is a proprietary port set that we use for joysticks as it presents a cleaner approach to hooking joysticks up. See this blog article about the. DB15 – This is for the Cobalt Flux version 2 dance pads.
There are other dance pads which also use the DB15 connection system and you may have to make modifications. DB9 – This is our Atari/Commodore 64/Amiga Ports used for some really old joysticks. Keep in mine that the typical joystick only has one button thus additional modification may be necessary to get more buttons onto your old joystick.Four switch DDR mode.When the four switches are flipped up the following keys are remapped. InputPS2RJ45DB15DB98Trigger 1 RRJ45 #1 Pin 4Pin 3Pin 27Trigger 1 LRJ45 #1 Pin 3Pin 2Pin 16Trigger 2 RRJ45 #1 Pin 2Pin 4Pin 35Trigger 2 LRJ45 #1 Pin 1Pin 5Pin 4Please note: With the zero delay controller we are working in reverse polarity. Thus, GND is actually +5vdc. It’s important to keep the trigger buttons clear so that when switching back and forth with the DDR pads that they do not interfere especially if pin 10 is enabled for sessions such as “Pump it up” where diagonal pads are used and the center is also counted as well.
Also, by switching the controls from directions on the joystick to buttons allows us to press all of the buttons on your DDR pad without any interference or extra software support such as needed with the xbox 360 DDR pads. The reason why the Custom RJ45 connector goes to these pins is in the event we hook up a fighting stick which will utilize many of the buttons this controller has to offer. Final Thoughts:This really should be considered as my “Version 3” DDR joystick encoder project as it cuts the cost of the controller board itself by 80 percent over the Outside of the bizarre fact that the voltage is going along the outside the circuit the only other thing I would probably add to this mod is some 0.1uf capacitors bridging between each connection and ground to at least attempt to fight static electricity that could happen when playing with dance mats on faster songs. What I did is super over-kill and if you want to just setup this controller for a single function such as a fighting stick or a DancePad then you will not have the scary wiring nightmare that is going on within our black box. The zero delay joystick encoder certainly gets the job done and it makes it exceptionally easy to add a joystick onto any computer be it a full PC, a raspberry pi and so-on. For it’s super low cost we couldn’t even feel bad if it sets itself on fire. But for now it’s working like a dream.
You can find these on super cheap too. We say that it’s worth it. Update – It has come to our attention that we may not have done our research on the arcade joystick and button world. To which we do apologize for that.
Although we never claimed to be experts of anything! This blog only serves as a reference point for myself and others to follow along if they choose. There are reputable vendors out there that will sell you HAPP, Semitsu, and Suzo branded joysticks based on your preferences and tastes. If you find an error in what we say. Leave it in the comments below. There’s absolutely no reason to go into full tilt nerd rage! We’ll fix the article because we want to make sure it’s right.
END OF LINE. Is there any hack to add an extra or extra buttons???there are no other usb joy boards available it seems and they all have the 12 buttons and provision for 1 dpad/stickim desperate, using a zero delay to fix a not working USB N64 Controller. However it has 2 directionals and 9 buttons. Total of 17 inputs.just need 1 extraso i see the board has the option of changing the mode which changes the directional input from sending AxisX/Y to Hat X/Y so it has the ability to send both types, but i need both similtanious. And since it has both joy inputs for micro switches and 5 pin i thought perhaps there would be a way to mod one of them.or maybe there is a way to add an extra button easily?.
No worries glad I could be of help. Not to be outdone in the confusing department the latest versions (or possibly clones) being shipped direct from China right now under the name “ZERO DELAY” look like this:I cant tell looking at the traces if this is common ground or not, and to make matters worse it ships with non colour coded wires! It also appears to have a ceramic cap where the crystal should be so the rapid/auto fire function might be a bit dodgy. I did try to order one from AliExpress but what arrived was a standard board like you are using. Thanks so much for the updates! This is actually good to know and now I want to get one of these ‘updated’ versions in case a flood of questions start rolling in. Not only for their crystal replacement but they also got rid of the 10uf and 47uf filtering caps on C4 an C5.
This makes me wonder if the F10 controller is going to have a higher failure rate from users plugging them into USB ports and blowing the chips from it not being able to accept any power variance coming off of a desktop or laptop. I also have to test these on dance mats to see if they are even less tolerant of static electricity during heavy songs then the first gen.I’ll try to update this blog again the moment I find a vendor that legit has one of these new F10 boards. Again, thank you very much!. I did wonder if the static build up problems and power variance problems were directly related to the common 5V design. Essentially having an unbroken 5V DC “ring” surrounding all the other components is a recipe for creating an electromagnetic field. Even if the new board is still common 5V it seams to be limited to the button side of the board which may solve the problem or at least limit it so the surface mount caps can handle it. BUT who knows I’ve given up trying to figure out Chinese PCB logic LOL.
There is also a Black zero delay board and a 2 player model floating around too but I’ve never seen them in person.If you do find a supplier of the F10 let me know as I’ve been using stripped down xin-mo boards to convert retro game-pads and joysticks but the lack of bulky components on the F10 might make it usable. We can’t really provide you a ‘solution’ to your problem because there’s too many variables that could be happening here. We don’t know your hardware configuration. We don’t know what troubleshooting steps you’ve already taken. How are you diagnosing your joysticks?
Are you using joy.cpl like in the video above? Or are you troubleshooting input controls from your emulation software?The best we could give you is some tips on troubleshooting in an attempt to see what is happening.Just because they share a the same ID’s does not mean they cancel each other out. If this was the case then you could only hook one Xbox 360 controller to a PC at time.
Since you used the term “hardware ID” I’m going to assume you’re running on a windows OS. In which case I would recommend checking device manager to see if you have two “HID-Compliant Game controllers” underneath your “human interface devices” catagory. If necessary. Plug player 1 in by itself and see if it powers on. Then plug player 2 in by itself. This is to verify that each of the controllers are online.
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Now, with device manager open plug in player 1, wait for it detect, and then player 2. We must first determine if you have a DOA controller or more importantly if one of your controllers is drawing too much power knocking your other controller offline.Have you tried these two controllers connected on another PC? Tarzan 2 dublat in romana download itunes gratis. That’s another way of determining if the USB adapter on your current setup is not correct. A work-around for low-powered USB ports is installing a USB hub that supplies 5vdc power externally. The encoder only need around 100Ma of power, but laptops sometimes will not go past 200Ma without shutting down devices. Excellent write-up Hoping you can help with a question I have I have a zero delay encoder board like the one you have pinned-out here.
My joystick is plugged into the Sanwa 5-pin port with a flat cable and everything works fine however I’d prefer to wire this to an iPac2 that I already have in my cabinet to eliminate the extra encoder. The AU, AD, AL and AR connections are obvious however I’m assuming I connect the VDD to 5V but where do I tie in ground since the harness is only 5-Pins and appears to use a common ground on the ZD board?. Thanks for the guide – I followed and did something similar using the zero delay breakout board. Everything works for a while with my metal pad and the board, but after a little while of playing (varies – sometimes not even half a song on heavy, sometimes I’m good for 5-10), the entire pad stops responding.
Research into this topic (reading old forum posts, combing through stepmania, reddit and other sources), tells me that it is static build up causing the USB port to malfunction. I have most of the wires surrounded in ferrite cores (supposedly to help with interference).
I have tried using a powered USB hub, which seems to help mitigate the problem, but eventually the static build up will cause the port to give out temporarily (unplugging and replugging into my win7 machine bluescreens, but all is fine after a reboot).Do you have any ideas to help accommodate static build up within the custom control box solution – input capacitors/diodes, or a different break out board perhaps? My electronics knowledge is limited – but any information you can provide is greatly appreciated. I have heard of this issue before on some of the Stepmania forums. One of the manufacturers talked about using filtering caps to mitigate static build up and to prevent a pad which is prone for static buildup from destroying the chip. I’ll have to do some research on this but I remembered popping open my Cobalt flux controller they lined the I/O pins with.1uf ceramic caps which are tied from signal (up,down,left, right) and the other end to ground and they were placed as close to the IC as possible to act as a buffer from static build-up. I purchased 2 sets of buttons, joystick, and 2 encoders from ebay the same zero delay as shown above in the tutorial.
I am new to the DIY arcades. I have a MAME arcade I’ve built using an X-Arcade Tank Stick which basically works itself and configures itself. These zero delay encoder seems to be self explanatory and so easy I purchased them thinking it was going to be a plug and play type project. I can get my six buttons to work and I even plugged in an extra switch for my MODE to convert my analog to digital and my joystick will not recognize all directions. There are two 5 pin Sawna/Molex style connections I use for my LED joystick that are located on the side of my joystick.
I’ve connected them straight, upside down, and even switched 5 pin connectors and I cannot seem to get this joystick to work. Any suggestions? When I press the MODE button the green LED comes on and switches to digital but it still doesn’t recognize all directions.
Any suggestions would be great. My bartop cabinet is complete and looks sweet but I can’t figure out this joystick.
Since there’s 4 ports for the directions next to the 5-pin sanwa labeled AU/AD/AR/AL. Have you plugged your buttons in there to verify directions that way? Just to eliminate a potential defective joystick?
Another thing that comes to mind which we found out the hard way when wiring this controller is red goes to ground not black. So when i hooked multiple red leads together (as is common in a MAME setup where the ground wire is tied to the buttons in series) it was actually cancelling out certain buttons and directions from being pressed.
After re-wiring all of the red leads correctly so ground was really ground and the signals were separated was when we got complete control of our controller back.Anyhow, hope that helped.